30 minutes ago by bin_bash

Isn’t the problem with these studies that people that drink no alcohol are often not doing so because of bad health or because they were alcoholics?

e.g.: https://time.com/5376552/how-much-alcohol-to-drink-study/

25 minutes ago by nostromo

This study is only looking at people with heart disease -- not healthy individuals.

23 minutes ago by fighterpilot

Still, there's confounders. The people who had heart disease and drank more probably have a more active social life than those with heart disease who don't drink.

18 minutes ago by nostromo

Of course. There are lots of potential reasons.

The most obvious to me is that alcohol is a blood thinner, much like aspirin, which is known to be beneficial to people with heart disease.

Note that the maximum benefit was found to be only a single drink a day - not a large dose.

16 minutes ago by bin_bash

People with heart disease can’t also have been alcoholics or quit drinking due to other health concerns?

12 minutes ago by nostromo

The study separated out "never drinkers" from "former drinkers" to address this bias.

https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s1291...

27 minutes ago by ekianjo

Possibly, or a myriad of other factors as well, which is why designing proper control/test groups is extremely difficult.

15 minutes ago by amerkhalid

Vast majority of Muslims don't drink due to religion, shouldn't that provide big enough sample size to definitely decide if light drinking is good or bad.

12 minutes ago by mertd

Vast majority of Muslims also smoke a lot.

4 minutes ago by Godel_unicode

There's a truly stupendous amount of generalization going on in this thread, is there any evidence for this?

35 minutes ago by xutopia

Before anyone decides to drink alcohol as if it were a supplement hear me out.

Alcohol in every continent has a rich social element to sharing it. It could very well be that the fabric of society around which revolves alcohol consumption determines these benefits more so than the alcohol consumption itself.

It might well be that regularly seeing friends, a ritual as ancient as humanity itself, could be responsible for these healing effects. Friends are good for you!

32 minutes ago by endisneigh

Disclaimer: I've never drank.

I don't understand this tho - why is alcohol talked about as if not drinking prevents you from hanging with friends? I don't drink and regularly see my friends who do while they're drinking. I usually just get a virgin seltzer at bars personally.

Are there people incapable of socializing without drinking?

20 minutes ago by fighterpilot

You're missing the point, which is that alcohol use is positively correlated with the tendency to see friends socially, which could explain the finding being reported here.

Nobody is saying that it's an iron clad relationship and not drinking is preventing you from seeing friends.

7 minutes ago by Godel_unicode

Is there evidence for this, or is this just a gut feeling? I don't see my non-drinking friends less than my drinking ones. I had plenty of college friends who didn't drink and took great pleasure in messing with their inebriated classmates.

29 minutes ago by Sebb767

A lot of social gatherings involve drinking, especially in the earlier parts of your life (like college). If you have the right friend group and/or are more of a social butterfly, you can get by without drinking, but it definitely helps a lot with bonding.

22 minutes ago by Jtsummers

I do drink now, but spent my 20s as the official DD of every group I was with and went out with them quite often. Not drinking does not, as a rule, prevent hanging out with friends.

However, in alcohol heavy situations, it can be off putting for a lot of people to remain sober. It’s hard to be part of the group above a certain drunkenness level if you’re still sober. Not impossible, but hard.

19 minutes ago by chizhik-pyzhik

Link to the study- https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s1291...

>In summary, our study shows that an alcohol intake up to about 105g a week is associated with lower risks of both mortality and subsequent cardiovascular events among CVD patients.

>Our findings therefore indicate that, for secondary prevention of CVD, current drinkers may not need to stop drinking but should be informed that lower levels of intake (up to 105g/week) may be associated with reduced risks. However, non-drinking patients should not be encouraged to take up light drinking because of well-known adverse effects on other health outcomes, such as cancers [79].

12 minutes ago by belltaco

In other news:

Drinking any amount of alcohol causes damage to the brain, study finds

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/drinking-alcohol-causes-dama...

28 minutes ago by ekianjo

Even if the benefits are real (which is really dubious as most observational studies should be carefully reviewed!), most important is this:

> Ding cautioned that non-drinking individuals should not be encouraged to take up light drinking because of known adverse effects on other health outcomes, such as cancers.

8 minutes ago by chillwaves

The mental health implications are also difficult to quantify.

I would also guess most people who develop alcohol addiction did not understand their risk factors when they first started drinking.

16 minutes ago by yk

Thing is, light-to-moderate drinking implies that nothing really bad happened in your live. Most of the people who have cancer either stop drinking or become heavy drinker. Same with a heart attack and so on.

However, the reason we hear again and again about these studies is, that both scientist at a prestigious institution and journalist at a prestigious publication implies that not much really bad has happened in your live, which in turn implies light to moderate drinking.

11 minutes ago by Godel_unicode

> who have cancer either stop drinking or become heavy drinker

Is there any evidence for this? It doesn't match my experience at all.

11 minutes ago by lr4444lr

... controlling for the higher camaraderie and socializing typically enjoyed by such drinkers?

27 minutes ago by j45

These types of studies seem to flip flop every so often to allow anyone to justify what they want to do instead of being open to learning to take a look at improving any behaviour they may have.

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